I recently updated my TRUENAS-MINI-3.0-XL+ to CORE version TrueNAS-13.0-U6.3. Now, in the Web GUI, when I take a look at the available plugins, all of them indicate “Version: N/A”. For example, for Plex Media Server, I see
Is anybody else seeing this?
I don’t have any Plugins nor Jails installed.
I just checked my Plugins catalog and see the same thing. It seems the same on iX and Community catalog. Attempted a Refresh Index too.
TrueNAS-13.0-U6.3
I too, did a refresh, but to no avail.
Plugins have long been deprecated. If you want a plugin experience, you really should have moved to SCALE a year or more ago. That doesn’t directly address your issue, I know, but it’s been two years since they stated in this thread that they were a dead-end, and 18 months since they posted this:
It’s long since time to move on.
Thank you for pointing me that article. Note that the article states that they will be supporting plugins until 2025; that is for a little more than another year. During that time, I expect the basic functionality in the Web GUI related to plugins to continue to work without defect, such as the one I reported.
I find it interesting the iXsystems continues to sell hardware preloaded with CORE. Indeed, that is the hardware I own–hardware presumably optimized for CORE and not necessarily SCALE. How will my hardware perform under SCALE? What is the migration path from CORE to SCALE? Does it necessarily entail migrating to new hardware? These are all questions I am not prepared to research today. Today, all I want is for somebody to fix the defect I reported.
Forget plugins. Create a standard VNET jail, then use @victor’s script to install Plex:
HTH,
Patrick
…and then deal with the unfixable security issues in the unmaintained jail manager.
Lots of FUD and rarely an issue.
The download of FreeBSD base packages by iocage can be man-in-the-middle’d. Theoretically. Just like about any download of any piece of software people routinely perform in their browser, then double click “setup.exe”.
Bummer.
Make sure your infrastructure is not susceptible to that. I’m sleeping quite well.
Yet, of course some cryptographic signature would be appropriate in 2024 - no argument. And I will check tomorrow if iocage at least checks SSL certificates and if it doesn’t, probably file an issue on github.
Besides, iocage is a maintained piece of software - if iX decide to use an outdated dead end branch, that’s entirely their choice.
HTH,
Patrick
This is what the activity has been the last couple of years:
iX talked about iocage in the last podcast, perhaps you will find it informative.
If i remember well, plugins are marked as obsolete from may.
Virtualization, same… But at least in my experience still usable in 13.3.
Hope they fix other bug (like the boot pool scrub or the ignoring threshold) then something related to dead plugin
…but since we’re talking about TrueNAS, their choice would seem to be relevant, no?
In any event, I know you’re much more plugged in than I to the FreeBSD world, so I’ll defer to your experience. But it’s long since time to give up on plugins.
The page mentions early 2025.
Still, that’s in the future and it’s a shame it appears to already have stopped working as expected.
Here’s what it says:
Given the reliability issues of CORE plugins described above, iX intends to only support these plugins until early 2025.
It’s late November of 2024. “Early 2025” is less than six weeks away. No, we aren’t there yet, and if what’s happened is in fact that iX has pulled the plug prematurely, shame on them. Of course, there are any number of other reasons you could be seeing what you’re seeing, and I don’t know enough about how TrueNAS grabs that information to know what those might be. But the fact remains that this isn’t anything new (even over two years ago when I started the thread I linked to, it had been going on for quite a while already).
I’m sorry you’re behind the curve, but this has been public for a long time. And SCALE has been stable enough, for long enough, that you really should have migrated by now.
Hardware requirements for SCALE are essentially the same as those for CORE, though with SCALE being Linux-based, it will support a broader range of hardware. If your system works for your current use case, and that use case doesn’t change, it’s highly likely it will continue to do so under SCALE.
No. I think it’s safe to say that the vast majority of us currently using SCALE, migrated from CORE on the same hardware. For the sake of safety, I’d install SCALE to a new boot device so that you can easily revert if desired.
Yeah, it isn’t like iX have documented that or anything. Oh wait:
soldermonkey, did you submit a bug on this issue to iX Systems?
Report A Bug is on upper right of this forum, at the top of the page.
So? It works. I manage >1000 customer jails with it. With a 2 person team.
Still curious about the MITM issue, of course.
Kind regards,
Patrick
Thanks for the suggestion. I did so just now. Jira
So, here’s the disingenuous response I got to the bug I filed:
The Plugins, Jails, and Virtual Machines features are untested and provided without support to the TrueNAS Community. Users with a critical need to use containers or virtualization solutions in production should migrate to the tested and supported virtualization features available in TrueNAS SCALE. TrueNAS Enterprise customers can contact iXsystems to schedule a TrueNAS SCALE deployment. See CORE to SCALE Migrations for more information.
See release notes: 13.0 Release Notes | TrueNAS Documentation Hub
If you read the release notes for 13.0-U6.3, there is no mention of the plugin GUI no longer working or no longer being supported. Nor is there an unequivocal statement that, with this release, plugins are no longer supported. The only statements that come close concern vulnerabilities, not GUI functionality, or overall support.
I am disappointed in iXsystems. Here is an excerpt from their current listing on Amazon for the Mini X+
- Ideal for file-sharing, backup, multimedia processing and distribution, video surveillance, edge/remote office, development, personal cloud, and other small/home office & SMB applications. Broaden your Mini’s capabilities with VMs and an extensive suite of software plugins including Plex and NextCloud.
So much for Truth in Advertising…
I am a bit surprised they haven’t transitioned the Mini lineup to TrueNAS Scale by default yet.
iX have been dishonest about this for a very long time, which was part of the point of the thread I’ve already linked to, which I started over two years ago. They wanted to be able to advertise plugins, but they never committed the resources to making them work well. As a result, plugins under CORE/FreeNAS have never been a reliable way to get software up and running and kept up-to-date, which is why some of us have spent years working on scripts to automate installations of various software.
But they have made public statements, both on the old forum and on their blog, that they “intend to only support these plugins until early 2025.” Even at that time, over two years ago, the official statement was that they were “all but deprecated” and “a path to sadness.” At this point, in the last week of November 2024, it’d be downright foolhardy to set up a new plugin installation.
Moreover, CORE itself is all but dead. There will be no CORE 14 release, and the 13.x series is only getting the occasional security fix. SCALE is the only version that’s still under active development.
So really, whether you want plugins or not, move to SCALE. If you want plugins, definitely move to SCALE.
You have a good point regarding the Amazon listing, that’s outdated and should be changed. Also, there really should be a clear note about the state of (among other things) plugins in the release notes.
There’s this blurb hidden away in the official docs:
Obsolete Features
Following the upstream FreeBSD 13.2 end-of-life, announced July 1, 2024, virtualization features (plugins, jails, and virtual machines) in TrueNAS 13.0 are now obsolete.Enterprise users or community users with a critical need to use containers or virtualization solutions in production should migrate to the tested and supported virtualization features available in TrueNAS SCALE. TrueNAS Enterprise customers can contact iXsystems to schedule a TrueNAS 24.04 or newer deployment. See CORE to SCALE Migrations for more information.
Dishonestly implies intent to mislead. Is there really anything to gain, for iX, to mislead users here?
I think no, to me this looks more like a failure in keeping the documentation and adcopy up-to-date. Definitely something they can (and should) improve on immensely.
