Bad disk not clear

Hello,

It seems one of my disks is faulty. I keep getting an error :
May 15 17:15:39 truenas 1 2024-05-15T17:15:39.255383+03:00 truenas smartd 1120 - - Device: /dev/ciss0 [cciss_disk_05] [SAT], 8 Currently unreadable (pending) sectors
May 15 17:15:39 truenas 1 2024-05-15T17:15:39.255487+03:00 truenas. smartd 1120 - - Device: /dev/ciss0 [cciss_disk_05] [SAT], 8 Offline uncorrectable sectors

At the same time the pool shows ONLINE (Unhealthy)

However when I go to the disk list , all disks show as online and disk da5 is shows all smart tests as successfull.
I am not really sure which drive is the faulty one , if its really da5 that I need to pull out.

How can I find our which disks is Device: /dev/ciss0 [cciss_disk_05] by its serial ?

Thanks for all the help.

If you look at the smart report for the disk in question you will see it has non zero values for the smart attributes for “uncorrectable sectors” and “pending sectors”

Uncorrectable is a sector that could not return the data that is written to it.

pending sector would be the same sector, but basically after you next wrote to it it should know what to return next time :wink:

This indicates a failing disk. If inside warranty should be rma’d

If outside warranty, you could try wiping with zeros to “refresh” all the sectors, but typically you’ll just see the same issue again in the future

Which basically means the HD will fail to return your data in future.

And it’s up to you if you replace. I would generally.

You can manually retrieve the smart report with smartctl -a /dev/da5 where da5 is your device id. Iirc.

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What are the disks connected to? They’re being handled by the ciss driver, are they connected to a RAID controller by chance?

Could you try pasting the output of smartctl -d cciss,5 -a /dev/ciss0 ?

EDIT: and zpool status -v please!

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Hello Guys and thanks for the update.
I paste the output. Seems to be da5 indeed.
Its on HBA passthrough so the disk management is done by ZFS and the OS and not the controller.
I already ordered a new disk to replace this one. Can’t wait so long for the RMA with a bad disk.
I must poweroff the machine as I don’t remember in which slot this disk is plugged in. After I plug the new one in its position will it automatically take in the new disk or I need to manually do actions ?

Thanks for all the help !


root@truenas[~]# smartctl -a /dev/da5
smartctl 7.2 2020-12-30 r5155 [FreeBSD 12.2-RELEASE-p14 amd64] (local build)
Copyright (C) 2002-20, Bruce Allen, Christian Franke, www.smartmontools.org

=== START OF INFORMATION SECTION ===
Model Family:     Seagate Exos X16
Device Model:     ST16000NM001G-2KK103
Serial Number:    ZL2DR6Z8
LU WWN Device Id: 5 000c50 0c8c57451
Firmware Version: SN03
User Capacity:    16,000,900,661,248 bytes [16.0 TB]
Sector Sizes:     512 bytes logical, 4096 bytes physical
Rotation Rate:    7200 rpm
Form Factor:      3.5 inches
Device is:        In smartctl database [for details use: -P show]
ATA Version is:   ACS-4 (minor revision not indicated)
SATA Version is:  SATA 3.3, 6.0 Gb/s (current: 6.0 Gb/s)
Local Time is:    Wed May 15 19:58:24 2024 EEST
SMART support is: Available - device has SMART capability.
SMART support is: Enabled

=== START OF READ SMART DATA SECTION ===
SMART overall-health self-assessment test result: PASSED

General SMART Values:
Offline data collection status:  (0x82) Offline data collection activity
                                        was completed without error.
                                        Auto Offline Data Collection: Enabled.
Self-test execution status:      (   0) The previous self-test routine completed
                                        without error or no self-test has ever
                                        been run.
Total time to complete Offline
data collection:                (  575) seconds.
Offline data collection
capabilities:                    (0x7b) SMART execute Offline immediate.
                                        Auto Offline data collection on/off support.
                                        Suspend Offline collection upon new
                                        command.
                                        Offline surface scan supported.
                                        Self-test supported.
                                        Conveyance Self-test supported.
                                        Selective Self-test supported.
SMART capabilities:            (0x0003) Saves SMART data before entering
                                        power-saving mode.
                                        Supports SMART auto save timer.
Error logging capability:        (0x01) Error logging supported.
                                        General Purpose Logging supported.
Short self-test routine
recommended polling time:        (   1) minutes.
Extended self-test routine
recommended polling time:        (1416) minutes.
Conveyance self-test routine
recommended polling time:        (   2) minutes.
SCT capabilities:              (0x70bd) SCT Status supported.
                                        SCT Error Recovery Control supported.
                                        SCT Feature Control supported.
                                        SCT Data Table supported.

SMART Attributes Data Structure revision number: 10
Vendor Specific SMART Attributes with Thresholds:
ID# ATTRIBUTE_NAME          FLAG     VALUE WORST THRESH TYPE      UPDATED  WHEN_FAILED RAW_VALUE
  1 Raw_Read_Error_Rate     0x000f   082   064   044    Pre-fail  Always       -       174280944
  3 Spin_Up_Time            0x0003   091   091   000    Pre-fail  Always       -       0
  4 Start_Stop_Count        0x0032   100   100   020    Old_age   Always       -       17
  5 Reallocated_Sector_Ct   0x0033   100   100   010    Pre-fail  Always       -       0
  7 Seek_Error_Rate         0x000f   089   060   045    Pre-fail  Always       -       739533457
  9 Power_On_Hours          0x0032   075   075   000    Old_age   Always       -       22162
 10 Spin_Retry_Count        0x0013   100   100   097    Pre-fail  Always       -       0
 12 Power_Cycle_Count       0x0032   100   100   020    Old_age   Always       -       17
 18 Head_Health             0x000b   100   100   050    Pre-fail  Always       -       0
187 Reported_Uncorrect      0x0032   098   098   000    Old_age   Always       -       2
188 Command_Timeout         0x0032   100   099   000    Old_age   Always       -       17180131332
190 Airflow_Temperature_Cel 0x0022   061   045   040    Old_age   Always       -       39 (Min/Max 28/45)
192 Power-Off_Retract_Count 0x0032   100   100   000    Old_age   Always       -       8
193 Load_Cycle_Count        0x0032   100   100   000    Old_age   Always       -       986
194 Temperature_Celsius     0x0022   039   046   000    Old_age   Always       -       39 (0 22 0 0 0)
197 Current_Pending_Sector  0x0012   100   100   000    Old_age   Always       -       8
198 Offline_Uncorrectable   0x0010   100   100   000    Old_age   Offline      -       8
199 UDMA_CRC_Error_Count    0x003e   200   200   000    Old_age   Always       -       0
200 Pressure_Limit          0x0023   100   100   001    Pre-fail  Always       -       0
240 Head_Flying_Hours       0x0000   100   253   000    Old_age   Offline      -       22148h+05m+26.073s
241 Total_LBAs_Written      0x0000   100   253   000    Old_age   Offline      -       629771881703
242 Total_LBAs_Read         0x0000   100   253   000    Old_age   Offline      -       658738629054

SMART Error Log Version: 1
ATA Error Count: 2
        CR = Command Register [HEX]
        FR = Features Register [HEX]
        SC = Sector Count Register [HEX]
        SN = Sector Number Register [HEX]
        CL = Cylinder Low Register [HEX]
        CH = Cylinder High Register [HEX]
        DH = Device/Head Register [HEX]
        DC = Device Command Register [HEX]
        ER = Error register [HEX]
        ST = Status register [HEX]
Powered_Up_Time is measured from power on, and printed as
DDd+hh:mm:SS.sss where DD=days, hh=hours, mm=minutes,
SS=sec, and sss=millisec. It "wraps" after 49.710 days.

Error 2 occurred at disk power-on lifetime: 22083 hours (920 days + 3 hours)
  When the command that caused the error occurred, the device was active or idle.

  After command completion occurred, registers were:
  ER ST SC SN CL CH DH
  -- -- -- -- -- -- --
  40 51 00 ff ff ff 0f  Error: UNC at LBA = 0x0fffffff = 268435455

  Commands leading to the command that caused the error were:
  CR FR SC SN CL CH DH DC   Powered_Up_Time  Command/Feature_Name
  -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --  ----------------  --------------------
  60 00 30 ff ff ff 4f 00  34d+15:53:47.489  READ FPDMA QUEUED
  60 00 38 ff ff ff 4f 00  34d+15:53:47.489  READ FPDMA QUEUED
  60 00 38 ff ff ff 4f 00  34d+15:53:47.489  READ FPDMA QUEUED
  60 00 38 ff ff ff 4f 00  34d+15:53:47.489  READ FPDMA QUEUED
  60 00 30 ff ff ff 4f 00  34d+15:53:47.489  READ FPDMA QUEUED

Error 1 occurred at disk power-on lifetime: 21067 hours (877 days + 19 hours)
  When the command that caused the error occurred, the device was active or idle.

  After command completion occurred, registers were:
  ER ST SC SN CL CH DH
  -- -- -- -- -- -- --
  40 51 00 ff ff ff 0f  Error: WP at LBA = 0x0fffffff = 268435455

  Commands leading to the command that caused the error were:
  CR FR SC SN CL CH DH DC   Powered_Up_Time  Command/Feature_Name
  -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --  ----------------  --------------------
  61 00 70 ff ff ff 4f 00  42d+00:28:54.755  WRITE FPDMA QUEUED
  61 00 30 ff ff ff 4f 00  42d+00:28:54.754  WRITE FPDMA QUEUED
  61 00 38 ff ff ff 4f 00  42d+00:28:54.754  WRITE FPDMA QUEUED
  61 00 38 ff ff ff 4f 00  42d+00:28:54.754  WRITE FPDMA QUEUED
  61 00 38 ff ff ff 4f 00  42d+00:28:54.754  WRITE FPDMA QUEUED

SMART Self-test log structure revision number 1
Num  Test_Description    Status                  Remaining  LifeTime(hours)  LBA_of_first_error
# 1  Short offline       Completed without error       00%     22142         -
# 2  Short offline       Completed without error       00%     22118         -
# 3  Short offline       Completed without error       00%     22094         -
# 4  Short offline       Completed without error       00%     22070         -
# 5  Short offline       Completed without error       00%     22046         -
# 6  Short offline       Completed without error       00%     22022         -
# 7  Short offline       Completed without error       00%     21998         -
# 8  Short offline       Completed without error       00%     21974         -
# 9  Short offline       Completed without error       00%     21950         -
#10  Short offline       Completed without error       00%     21926         -
#11  Short offline       Completed without error       00%     21902         -
#12  Short offline       Completed without error       00%     21878         -
#13  Short offline       Completed without error       00%     21854         -
#14  Short offline       Completed without error       00%     21830         -
#15  Short offline       Completed without error       00%     21806         -
#16  Short offline       Completed without error       00%     21782         -
#17  Short offline       Completed without error       00%     21758         -
#18  Short offline       Completed without error       00%     21734         -
#19  Short offline       Completed without error       00%     21710         -
#20  Short offline       Completed without error       00%     21686         -
#21  Short offline       Completed without error       00%     21662         -

SMART Selective self-test log data structure revision number 1
 SPAN  MIN_LBA  MAX_LBA  CURRENT_TEST_STATUS
    1        0        0  Not_testing
    2        0        0  Not_testing
    3        0        0  Not_testing
    4        0        0  Not_testing
    5        0        0  Not_testing
Selective self-test flags (0x0):
  After scanning selected spans, do NOT read-scan remainder of disk.
If Selective self-test is pending on power-up, resume after 0 minute delay.

and zpool

root@truenas[~]# zpool status -v
  pool: BIGPOOL
 state: ONLINE
status: One or more devices has experienced an unrecoverable error.  An
        attempt was made to correct the error.  Applications are unaffected.
action: Determine if the device needs to be replaced, and clear the errors
        using 'zpool clear' or replace the device with 'zpool replace'.
   see: https://openzfs.github.io/openzfs-docs/msg/ZFS-8000-9P
  scan: scrub repaired 892K in 10 days 17:24:17 with 0 errors on Wed May 15 17:24:45 2024
config:

        NAME                                            STATE     READ WRITE CKSUM
        BIGPOOL                                         ONLINE       0     0     0
          raidz2-0                                      ONLINE       0     0     0
            gptid/1839c8bc-3e72-11ec-9f90-c4346bb03b90  ONLINE       0     0     0
            gptid/1960609c-3e72-11ec-9f90-c4346bb03b90  ONLINE       0     0     0
            gptid/19cff653-3e72-11ec-9f90-c4346bb03b90  ONLINE       0     0     0
            gptid/1b06cc94-3e72-11ec-9f90-c4346bb03b90  ONLINE      36     0     0
            gptid/1ad8a8c3-3e72-11ec-9f90-c4346bb03b90  ONLINE       0     0     0
            gptid/1af04312-3e72-11ec-9f90-c4346bb03b90  ONLINE       0     0     0
            gptid/1b1b9732-3e72-11ec-9f90-c4346bb03b90  ONLINE       0     0     0

errors: No known data errors

  pool: boot-pool
 state: ONLINE
  scan: scrub repaired 0B in 00:00:28 with 0 errors on Fri May 10 03:45:29 2024
config:

        NAME        STATE     READ WRITE CKSUM
        boot-pool   ONLINE       0     0     0
          mirror-0  ONLINE       0     0     0
            da7p2   ONLINE       0     0     0
            da8p2   ONLINE       0     0     0

errors: No known data errors
root@truenas[~]#

You haven’t done any long tests.

Short tests are almost useless.

Setup automatic long tests.

And maybe you’ll see a failure.

And remember to verify the serial before you pull the drive.

Once you have a replacement drive you can use the replace button in the ui.

Please in future put long output like this into a codeblock (```)
I would guess the disk is bad - but it could be issues with the controller too. Where it’s just this one disk alerting I’d lean more towards a disk issue though.

Device Model: ST16000NM001G-2KK103
Serial Number: ZL2DR6Z8

1 Raw_Read_Error_Rate 0x000f 082 064 044 Pre-fail Always - 174280944
7 Seek_Error_Rate 0x000f 089 060 045 Pre-fail Always - 739533457
188 Command_Timeout 0x0032 100 099 000 Old_age Always - 17180131332
197 Current_Pending_Sector 0x0012 100 100 000 Old_age Always - 8
198 Offline_Uncorrectable 0x0010 100 100 000 Old_age Offline - 8

If you can, RMA it (even if it’s after you’ve replaced the disk, then you can add it as a hot spare :P). Power-on hours are 2.5 years so you may still be in warranty (haven’t had dealings with Seagate before so no idea if they have a manufacturer warranty you could contact them for)

I’m still a little hung up on TrueNAS alerting on /dev/ciss0. Do you know the exact HBA in use? Can you also check smartctl -d cciss,5 -a /dev/ciss0 and see if it’s the same disk?

Hello ,

My bad. Edited the post above !

This is a ProLiant DL380 Gen9 HPE Server with Smart Array P840 Controller being used in HBA mode.

I attach the info requested.

Thank you !

root@truenas[~]# smartctl -d cciss,5 -a /dev/ciss0
smartctl 7.2 2020-12-30 r5155 [FreeBSD 12.2-RELEASE-p14 amd64] (local build)
Copyright (C) 2002-20, Bruce Allen, Christian Franke, www.smartmontools.org

=== START OF INFORMATION SECTION ===
Model Family:     Seagate Exos X16
Device Model:     ST16000NM001G-2KK103
Serial Number:    ZL2DR6Z8
LU WWN Device Id: 5 000c50 0c8c57451
Firmware Version: SN03
User Capacity:    16,000,900,661,248 bytes [16.0 TB]
Sector Sizes:     512 bytes logical, 4096 bytes physical
Rotation Rate:    7200 rpm
Form Factor:      3.5 inches
Device is:        In smartctl database [for details use: -P show]
ATA Version is:   ACS-4 (minor revision not indicated)
SATA Version is:  SATA 3.3, 6.0 Gb/s (current: 6.0 Gb/s)
Local Time is:    Wed May 15 20:30:00 2024 EEST
SMART support is: Available - device has SMART capability.
SMART support is: Enabled

=== START OF READ SMART DATA SECTION ===
SMART Status not supported: Incomplete response, ATA output registers missing
SMART overall-health self-assessment test result: PASSED
Warning: This result is based on an Attribute check.

General SMART Values:
Offline data collection status:  (0x82) Offline data collection activity
                                        was completed without error.
                                        Auto Offline Data Collection: Enabled.
Self-test execution status:      (   0) The previous self-test routine completed
                                        without error or no self-test has ever
                                        been run.
Total time to complete Offline
data collection:                (  575) seconds.
Offline data collection
capabilities:                    (0x7b) SMART execute Offline immediate.
                                        Auto Offline data collection on/off support.
                                        Suspend Offline collection upon new
                                        command.
                                        Offline surface scan supported.
                                        Self-test supported.
                                        Conveyance Self-test supported.
                                        Selective Self-test supported.
SMART capabilities:            (0x0003) Saves SMART data before entering
                                        power-saving mode.
                                        Supports SMART auto save timer.
Error logging capability:        (0x01) Error logging supported.
                                        General Purpose Logging supported.
Short self-test routine
recommended polling time:        (   1) minutes.
Extended self-test routine
recommended polling time:        (1416) minutes.
Conveyance self-test routine
recommended polling time:        (   2) minutes.
SCT capabilities:              (0x70bd) SCT Status supported.
                                        SCT Error Recovery Control supported.
                                        SCT Feature Control supported.
                                        SCT Data Table supported.

SMART Attributes Data Structure revision number: 10
Vendor Specific SMART Attributes with Thresholds:
ID# ATTRIBUTE_NAME          FLAG     VALUE WORST THRESH TYPE      UPDATED  WHEN_FAILED RAW_VALUE
  1 Raw_Read_Error_Rate     0x000f   082   064   044    Pre-fail  Always       -       175416288
  3 Spin_Up_Time            0x0003   091   091   000    Pre-fail  Always       -       0
  4 Start_Stop_Count        0x0032   100   100   020    Old_age   Always       -       17
  5 Reallocated_Sector_Ct   0x0033   100   100   010    Pre-fail  Always       -       0
  7 Seek_Error_Rate         0x000f   089   060   045    Pre-fail  Always       -       739614730
  9 Power_On_Hours          0x0032   075   075   000    Old_age   Always       -       22162
 10 Spin_Retry_Count        0x0013   100   100   097    Pre-fail  Always       -       0
 12 Power_Cycle_Count       0x0032   100   100   020    Old_age   Always       -       17
 18 Head_Health             0x000b   100   100   050    Pre-fail  Always       -       0
187 Reported_Uncorrect      0x0032   098   098   000    Old_age   Always       -       2
188 Command_Timeout         0x0032   100   099   000    Old_age   Always       -       17180131332
190 Airflow_Temperature_Cel 0x0022   061   045   040    Old_age   Always       -       39 (Min/Max 28/45)
192 Power-Off_Retract_Count 0x0032   100   100   000    Old_age   Always       -       8
193 Load_Cycle_Count        0x0032   100   100   000    Old_age   Always       -       986
194 Temperature_Celsius     0x0022   039   046   000    Old_age   Always       -       39 (0 22 0 0 0)
197 Current_Pending_Sector  0x0012   100   100   000    Old_age   Always       -       8
198 Offline_Uncorrectable   0x0010   100   100   000    Old_age   Offline      -       8
199 UDMA_CRC_Error_Count    0x003e   200   200   000    Old_age   Always       -       0
200 Pressure_Limit          0x0023   100   100   001    Pre-fail  Always       -       0
240 Head_Flying_Hours       0x0000   100   253   000    Old_age   Offline      -       22148h+37m+02.077s
241 Total_LBAs_Written      0x0000   100   253   000    Old_age   Offline      -       629773012351
242 Total_LBAs_Read         0x0000   100   253   000    Old_age   Offline      -       658738633750

SMART Error Log Version: 1
ATA Error Count: 2
        CR = Command Register [HEX]
        FR = Features Register [HEX]
        SC = Sector Count Register [HEX]
        SN = Sector Number Register [HEX]
        CL = Cylinder Low Register [HEX]
        CH = Cylinder High Register [HEX]
        DH = Device/Head Register [HEX]
        DC = Device Command Register [HEX]
        ER = Error register [HEX]
        ST = Status register [HEX]
Powered_Up_Time is measured from power on, and printed as
DDd+hh:mm:SS.sss where DD=days, hh=hours, mm=minutes,
SS=sec, and sss=millisec. It "wraps" after 49.710 days.

Error 2 occurred at disk power-on lifetime: 22083 hours (920 days + 3 hours)
  When the command that caused the error occurred, the device was active or idle.

  After command completion occurred, registers were:
  ER ST SC SN CL CH DH
  -- -- -- -- -- -- --
  40 51 00 ff ff ff 0f  Error: UNC at LBA = 0x0fffffff = 268435455

  Commands leading to the command that caused the error were:
  CR FR SC SN CL CH DH DC   Powered_Up_Time  Command/Feature_Name
  -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --  ----------------  --------------------
  60 00 30 ff ff ff 4f 00  34d+15:53:47.489  READ FPDMA QUEUED
  60 00 38 ff ff ff 4f 00  34d+15:53:47.489  READ FPDMA QUEUED
  60 00 38 ff ff ff 4f 00  34d+15:53:47.489  READ FPDMA QUEUED
  60 00 38 ff ff ff 4f 00  34d+15:53:47.489  READ FPDMA QUEUED
  60 00 30 ff ff ff 4f 00  34d+15:53:47.489  READ FPDMA QUEUED

Error 1 occurred at disk power-on lifetime: 21067 hours (877 days + 19 hours)
  When the command that caused the error occurred, the device was active or idle.

  After command completion occurred, registers were:
  ER ST SC SN CL CH DH
  -- -- -- -- -- -- --
  40 51 00 ff ff ff 0f  Error: WP at LBA = 0x0fffffff = 268435455

  Commands leading to the command that caused the error were:
  CR FR SC SN CL CH DH DC   Powered_Up_Time  Command/Feature_Name
  -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --  ----------------  --------------------
  61 00 70 ff ff ff 4f 00  42d+00:28:54.755  WRITE FPDMA QUEUED
  61 00 30 ff ff ff 4f 00  42d+00:28:54.754  WRITE FPDMA QUEUED
  61 00 38 ff ff ff 4f 00  42d+00:28:54.754  WRITE FPDMA QUEUED
  61 00 38 ff ff ff 4f 00  42d+00:28:54.754  WRITE FPDMA QUEUED
  61 00 38 ff ff ff 4f 00  42d+00:28:54.754  WRITE FPDMA QUEUED

SMART Self-test log structure revision number 1
Num  Test_Description    Status                  Remaining  LifeTime(hours)  LBA_of_first_error
# 1  Short offline       Completed without error       00%     22142         -
# 2  Short offline       Completed without error       00%     22118         -
# 3  Short offline       Completed without error       00%     22094         -
# 4  Short offline       Completed without error       00%     22070         -
# 5  Short offline       Completed without error       00%     22046         -
# 6  Short offline       Completed without error       00%     22022         -
# 7  Short offline       Completed without error       00%     21998         -
# 8  Short offline       Completed without error       00%     21974         -
# 9  Short offline       Completed without error       00%     21950         -
#10  Short offline       Completed without error       00%     21926         -
#11  Short offline       Completed without error       00%     21902         -
#12  Short offline       Completed without error       00%     21878         -
#13  Short offline       Completed without error       00%     21854         -
#14  Short offline       Completed without error       00%     21830         -
#15  Short offline       Completed without error       00%     21806         -
#16  Short offline       Completed without error       00%     21782         -
#17  Short offline       Completed without error       00%     21758         -
#18  Short offline       Completed without error       00%     21734         -
#19  Short offline       Completed without error       00%     21710         -
#20  Short offline       Completed without error       00%     21686         -
#21  Short offline       Completed without error       00%     21662         -

SMART Selective self-test log data structure revision number 1
 SPAN  MIN_LBA  MAX_LBA  CURRENT_TEST_STATUS
    1        0        0  Not_testing
    2        0        0  Not_testing
    3        0        0  Not_testing
    4        0        0  Not_testing
    5        0        0  Not_testing
Selective self-test flags (0x0):
  After scanning selected spans, do NOT read-scan remainder of disk.
If Selective self-test is pending on power-up, resume after 0 minute delay.

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Irrespective of the outcome of the long test, non-zero pending and offline sectors mean that the drive is growing hardware defects. This is a ground for RMA if the drive is under warranty. Replace it as soon as practically possible.

And look into the drive controller and this ciss driver… This is not good either.

cc: @dan who’s had some personal experience with this controller before (judging from the old forums). I’m not sure if this is normal or not (/dev/cciss0), it’s really not my area.
All I know is that it doesn’t look right

I’m afraid not; a HP Smart Array controller came with a Microserver I bought, but I haven’t used it based on recommendations there.