Do we have any news on 24.10 new Apps?

This Annon get locked duo to off topic. So is their any update on this?


Off Tpoic and Subjective warning

Personally, I have those concern:

From Big pricture:

Any orchestrate of docker will create another K8s, In history they called borg/docker-swan And none care them any more.
Millions company prove that Kube standard is the best of best. Everything can implements with CRD and it’s controller.

And now: Create new docker-compose based Apps. That gone need recreate wheel from UI/UX to low level logic and absolutely gone facing security/no enought custom/extract common is diffcult/hard to scale/platform lock problems that k8s already solved.

From concrete problems:

First make a define

  • Normal: Someone like a photographer can only make a simple click on webUI
  • HomeLab: Nerds, Which has proper knowlage and ability to handle Hardware/Debian/K8s/K3s/Storage even coding
  • Enterprise: Bussiness, Any lost will cause a directly/literal meaning “COST”
  • Orchestrate: Human manual operating: Too slow, Taired on Repeatedly, Not Atomic Opetaion, Mistake when taired, Mistake when bad mood, Misktake when good mood, Misktake on whatever mood or even no mood!

All those predictable problem is about orchestrate which Kube solve from the very begining:

Performance and single-failure

Run some app on NAS meant for directly storage access. “Enterprise” use CSI because it’s a trade off between data security and access proformance. Even with RDMA local direct perfomance is better then remote acces, Because cables can’t break light speed.

But rember “Enterprise” has no single-failure problem. For “Normal” install PLEX/PhotoPrism/Immich/WebDAV to centralize all data. Buy two server and access though newwork is meanless cost: Both money and perfomance and even worse: introduce the single-failure problem.

Manage HostPath by K8s is way easier then rewrite some web console. And support CSI to extend backend. In docker/compose only hostpath/volume. Of couse you can say event CSI impelemnts on this. But “orchestrate”.

Networking

CNI can provide from simples NodePort to very complex networking like BGP with hi-performance IPVS. But dokcer/compopse can only provide NAT/host. And besides MetalLB need no host networking bind

Again, You can say there is manual alternative. But “orchestrate”

In face

Those two example shows IaaC and orchestrate is future, Because it’s:

Remove human (the change to make mistake)
Remove modifyable (the change to make mistake)

K3s in SCALE for years and very very very very very stable now, The eco (TrueCharts) is enought for most users ( 20% vs 80% law) And I can packing/wrote my own application.

So TrueNAS staffs absolutely aware “orchestrate”. Why still make this unimaginable breaking change ?

BTW

K9s is an excellent tool, Not accepting rebuttal.

Docker compose supports macvlan and ipvlan as well. Pretty much same as MetalLB

Think about the power saving from the global conversion from k8s to docker for the entire population of truenas app users :wink:

Those who want k8s/k3s are free to install in a Sandbox.

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No, it wasn’t. It was a bloated pain which liked to wipe data and become unavailable at short notice, randomly.

Were even worse.

I confess I didn’t really understand much of your post - not sure if it was the technical details or the manglish. So - no rebuttal is possible, except for…facts.

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I knew. But no TrueCharts anymore. Obviously, Without markert there is no reason stay on K3s.

Well, that was TrueCharts’ decision, they had the option to embrace the sandbox version.

In an alternate timeline where they had done that, they may have developed their own app UI, which would not be confined to TrueNAS.

That would’ve been exciting.

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Yep. Descision is a descision, It’s an annonce instead of confer :confused:


Off topic warning Replace widely used industrial standards with proprietary implementations, if this does not count as platform binding I don’t what is.

Our group has many over 10000 nodes cluster and literally serving billions of people. This should be convincing enough for prove k8s ability

Cats are better.

micdrop

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The dockz are the bezt.