Help interpret previous Seek Error Rate and crashing (?) S.M.A.R.T tests

Recently I bought three Toshiba N300 12TB hard drives from two different stores. Pretty quickly (within a couple of days) S.M.A.R.T. had alerted about Seek_Error_Rate for all three disks (it didn’t start for all at the same time though).

I took out two of the disks and have returned one of them for now. I left the third disk in and the rate now looks better. But when running S.M.A.R.T. tests in TrueNAS for the disk it always fails. I may misunderstand the UI, but it’s like it can’t complete the test for some reason. The table for “S.M.A.R.T. Test Results” in the web GUI says Status: FAILED and Remaining: 0.9 for both short and extended. When looking at smartctl it says SMART overall-health self-assessment test result: PASSED, so is it even considered a faulty drive anymore? Can that be a problem if I would try to return the two remaining drives? I guess since it’s a rate, it can fluctuate both up and down over time, but it also feels weird that a failure would “heal”.

Here is the output of sudo smartctl -x /dev/sdb

smartctl 7.4 2023-08-01 r5530 [x86_64-linux-6.1.74-production+truenas] (local build)
Copyright (C) 2002-23, Bruce Allen, Christian Franke, www.smartmontools.org

=== START OF INFORMATION SECTION ===
Model Family:     Toshiba N300/MN NAS HDD
Device Model:     TOSHIBA HDWG21C
Serial Number:    [redacted]
LU WWN Device Id: [redacted]
Firmware Version: 0601
User Capacity:    12,000,138,625,024 bytes [12.0 TB]
Sector Sizes:     512 bytes logical, 4096 bytes physical
Rotation Rate:    7200 rpm
Form Factor:      3.5 inches
Device is:        In smartctl database 7.3/5528
ATA Version is:   ACS-3 T13/2161-D revision 5
SATA Version is:  SATA 3.3, 6.0 Gb/s (current: 6.0 Gb/s)
Local Time is:    [redacted]
SMART support is: Available - device has SMART capability.
SMART support is: Enabled
AAM feature is:   Unavailable
APM feature is:   Disabled
Rd look-ahead is: Enabled
Write cache is:   Enabled
DSN feature is:   Unavailable
ATA Security is:  Disabled, NOT FROZEN [SEC1]
Wt Cache Reorder: Enabled

=== START OF READ SMART DATA SECTION ===
SMART overall-health self-assessment test result: PASSED
See vendor-specific Attribute list for marginal Attributes.

General SMART Values:
Offline data collection status:  (0x86) Offline data collection activity
                                        was aborted by the device with a fatal error.
                                        Auto Offline Data Collection: Enabled.
Self-test execution status:      (  73) The previous self-test completed having
                                        a test element that failed and the test
                                        element that failed is not known.
Total time to complete Offline 
data collection:                (  120) seconds.
Offline data collection
capabilities:                    (0x5b) SMART execute Offline immediate.
                                        Auto Offline data collection on/off support.
                                        Suspend Offline collection upon new
                                        command.
                                        Offline surface scan supported.
                                        Self-test supported.
                                        No Conveyance Self-test supported.
                                        Selective Self-test supported.
SMART capabilities:            (0x0003) Saves SMART data before entering
                                        power-saving mode.
                                        Supports SMART auto save timer.
Error logging capability:        (0x01) Error logging supported.
                                        General Purpose Logging supported.
Short self-test routine 
recommended polling time:        (   2) minutes.
Extended self-test routine
recommended polling time:        (1182) minutes.
SCT capabilities:              (0x003d) SCT Status supported.
                                        SCT Error Recovery Control supported.
                                        SCT Feature Control supported.
                                        SCT Data Table supported.

SMART Attributes Data Structure revision number: 16
Vendor Specific SMART Attributes with Thresholds:
ID# ATTRIBUTE_NAME          FLAGS    VALUE WORST THRESH FAIL RAW_VALUE
  1 Raw_Read_Error_Rate     PO-R--   100   100   050    -    0
  2 Throughput_Performance  P-S---   100   100   050    -    0
  3 Spin_Up_Time            POS--K   100   100   001    -    6959
  4 Start_Stop_Count        -O--CK   100   100   000    -    9
  5 Reallocated_Sector_Ct   PO--CK   100   100   050    -    0
  7 Seek_Error_Rate         PO-R--   083   001   050    Past 0
  8 Seek_Time_Performance   P-S---   100   100   050    -    0
  9 Power_On_Hours          -O--CK   094   094   000    -    2704
 10 Spin_Retry_Count        PO--CK   100   100   030    -    0
 12 Power_Cycle_Count       -O--CK   100   100   000    -    9
 23 Helium_Condition_Lower  PO---K   100   100   075    -    0
 24 Helium_Condition_Upper  PO---K   100   100   075    -    0
191 G-Sense_Error_Rate      -O--CK   100   100   000    -    0
192 Power-Off_Retract_Count -O--CK   100   100   000    -    8
193 Load_Cycle_Count        -O--CK   100   100   000    -    12
194 Temperature_Celsius     -O---K   100   100   000    -    48 (Min/Max 19/54)
196 Reallocated_Event_Count -O--CK   100   100   000    -    0
197 Current_Pending_Sector  -O--CK   100   100   000    -    0
198 Offline_Uncorrectable   ----CK   100   100   000    -    0
199 UDMA_CRC_Error_Count    -O--CK   200   200   000    -    0
220 Disk_Shift              -O----   100   100   000    -    34996226
222 Loaded_Hours            -O--CK   094   094   000    -    2701
223 Load_Retry_Count        -O--CK   100   100   000    -    0
224 Load_Friction           -O---K   100   100   000    -    0
226 Load-in_Time            -OS--K   100   100   000    -    587
240 Head_Flying_Hours       P-----   100   100   001    -    0
                            ||||||_ K auto-keep
                            |||||__ C event count
                            ||||___ R error rate
                            |||____ S speed/performance
                            ||_____ O updated online
                            |______ P prefailure warning

General Purpose Log Directory Version 1
SMART           Log Directory Version 1 [multi-sector log support]
Address    Access  R/W   Size  Description
0x00       GPL,SL  R/O      1  Log Directory
0x01           SL  R/O      1  Summary SMART error log
0x02           SL  R/O     51  Comprehensive SMART error log
0x03       GPL     R/O      5  Ext. Comprehensive SMART error log
0x04       GPL,SL  R/O      8  Device Statistics log
0x06           SL  R/O      1  SMART self-test log
0x07       GPL     R/O      1  Extended self-test log
0x08       GPL     R/O      2  Power Conditions log
0x09           SL  R/W      1  Selective self-test log
0x0c       GPL     R/O    513  Pending Defects log
0x10       GPL     R/O      1  NCQ Command Error log
0x11       GPL     R/O      1  SATA Phy Event Counters log
0x24       GPL     R/O  53248  Current Device Internal Status Data log
0x25       GPL     R/O  53248  Saved Device Internal Status Data log
0x30       GPL,SL  R/O      9  IDENTIFY DEVICE data log
0x80-0x9f  GPL,SL  R/W     16  Host vendor specific log
0xe0       GPL,SL  R/W      1  SCT Command/Status
0xe1       GPL,SL  R/W      1  SCT Data Transfer

SMART Extended Comprehensive Error Log Version: 1 (5 sectors)
No Errors Logged

SMART Extended Self-test Log Version: 1 (1 sectors)
Num  Test_Description    Status                  Remaining  LifeTime(hours)  LBA_of_first_error
# 1  Extended offline    Completed: unknown failure    90%      2703         0
# 2  Short offline       Completed: unknown failure    90%      2703         0
# 3  Extended offline    Completed: unknown failure    90%      2543         0
# 4  Extended offline    Completed: unknown failure    90%      2423         0
# 5  Short offline       Completed: unknown failure    90%      2423         0
# 6  Short offline       Completed: unknown failure    90%      2293         0
# 7  Short offline       Completed: unknown failure    90%      2293         0
# 8  Extended offline    Completed: unknown failure    90%      1123         0
# 9  Short offline       Completed: unknown failure    90%      1122         0

SMART Selective self-test log data structure revision number 1
 SPAN  MIN_LBA  MAX_LBA  CURRENT_TEST_STATUS
    1        0        0  Not_testing
    2        0        0  Not_testing
    3        0        0  Not_testing
    4        0        0  Not_testing
    5        0        0  Not_testing
Selective self-test flags (0x0):
  After scanning selected spans, do NOT read-scan remainder of disk.
If Selective self-test is pending on power-up, resume after 0 minute delay.

SCT Status Version:                  3
SCT Version (vendor specific):       1 (0x0001)
Device State:                        Active (0)
Current Temperature:                    48 Celsius
Power Cycle Min/Max Temperature:     43/53 Celsius
Lifetime    Min/Max Temperature:     19/54 Celsius
Specified Max Operating Temperature:    55 Celsius
Under/Over Temperature Limit Count:   0/0

SCT Temperature History Version:     2
Temperature Sampling Period:         1 minute
Temperature Logging Interval:        1 minute
Min/Max recommended Temperature:      5/55 Celsius
Min/Max Temperature Limit:           -40/70 Celsius
Temperature History Size (Index):    478 (177)

Index    Estimated Time   Temperature Celsius
 178    2024-04-28 06:05    47  ****************************
 179    2024-04-28 06:06    47  ****************************
 180    2024-04-28 06:07    47  ****************************
 [redacted a bunch of lines]
 170    2024-04-28 13:55    47  ****************************
 171    2024-04-28 13:56    48  *****************************
 ...    ..(  5 skipped).    ..  *****************************
 177    2024-04-28 14:02    48  *****************************

SCT Error Recovery Control:
           Read: Disabled
          Write: Disabled

Device Statistics (GP Log 0x04)
Page  Offset Size        Value Flags Description
0x01  =====  =               =  ===  == General Statistics (rev 3) ==
0x01  0x008  4               9  ---  Lifetime Power-On Resets
0x01  0x010  4            2704  ---  Power-on Hours
0x01  0x018  6      7744578063  ---  Logical Sectors Written
0x01  0x020  6       152227751  ---  Number of Write Commands
0x01  0x028  6        50225158  ---  Logical Sectors Read
0x01  0x030  6          176631  ---  Number of Read Commands
0x01  0x038  6      9734400000  ---  Date and Time TimeStamp
0x02  =====  =               =  ===  == Free-Fall Statistics (rev 1) ==
0x02  0x010  4               0  ---  Overlimit Shock Events
0x03  =====  =               =  ===  == Rotating Media Statistics (rev 1) ==
0x03  0x008  4             317  ---  Spindle Motor Power-on Hours
0x03  0x010  4             315  ---  Head Flying Hours
0x03  0x018  4              12  ---  Head Load Events
0x03  0x020  4               0  ---  Number of Reallocated Logical Sectors
0x03  0x028  4               2  ---  Read Recovery Attempts
0x03  0x030  4               0  ---  Number of Mechanical Start Failures
0x03  0x038  4               0  ---  Number of Realloc. Candidate Logical Sectors
0x03  0x040  4               8  ---  Number of High Priority Unload Events
0x04  =====  =               =  ===  == General Errors Statistics (rev 1) ==
0x04  0x008  4               0  ---  Number of Reported Uncorrectable Errors
0x04  0x010  4               0  ---  Resets Between Cmd Acceptance and Completion
0x05  =====  =               =  ===  == Temperature Statistics (rev 1) ==
0x05  0x008  1              48  ---  Current Temperature
0x05  0x010  1              47  N--  Average Short Term Temperature
0x05  0x018  1              49  N--  Average Long Term Temperature
0x05  0x020  1              54  ---  Highest Temperature
0x05  0x028  1              19  ---  Lowest Temperature
0x05  0x030  1              53  N--  Highest Average Short Term Temperature
0x05  0x038  1              33  N--  Lowest Average Short Term Temperature
0x05  0x040  1              51  N--  Highest Average Long Term Temperature
0x05  0x048  1              49  N--  Lowest Average Long Term Temperature
0x05  0x050  4               0  ---  Time in Over-Temperature
0x05  0x058  1              55  ---  Specified Maximum Operating Temperature
0x05  0x060  4               0  ---  Time in Under-Temperature
0x05  0x068  1               5  ---  Specified Minimum Operating Temperature
0x06  =====  =               =  ===  == Transport Statistics (rev 1) ==
0x06  0x008  4              42  ---  Number of Hardware Resets
0x06  0x010  4              16  ---  Number of ASR Events
0x06  0x018  4               0  ---  Number of Interface CRC Errors
0x07  =====  =               =  ===  == Solid State Device Statistics (rev 1) ==
                                |||_ C monitored condition met
                                ||__ D supports DSN
                                |___ N normalized value

Pending Defects log (GP Log 0x0c)
No Defects Logged

SATA Phy Event Counters (GP Log 0x11)
ID      Size     Value  Description
0x0001  4            0  Command failed due to ICRC error
0x0002  4            0  R_ERR response for data FIS
0x0003  4            0  R_ERR response for device-to-host data FIS
0x0004  4            0  R_ERR response for host-to-device data FIS
0x0005  4            0  R_ERR response for non-data FIS
0x0006  4            0  R_ERR response for device-to-host non-data FIS
0x0007  4            0  R_ERR response for host-to-device non-data FIS
0x0008  4            0  Device-to-host non-data FIS retries
0x0009  4            1  Transition from drive PhyRdy to drive PhyNRdy
0x000a  4            1  Device-to-host register FISes sent due to a COMRESET
0x000b  4            0  CRC errors within host-to-device FIS
0x000d  4            0  Non-CRC errors within host-to-device FIS
0x000f  4            0  R_ERR response for host-to-device data FIS, CRC
0x0010  4            0  R_ERR response for host-to-device data FIS, non-CRC
0x0012  4            0  R_ERR response for host-to-device non-data FIS, CRC
0x0013  4            0  R_ERR response for host-to-device non-data FIS, non-CRC

I run TrueNAS Scale in a container in Proxmox and the three disks are/were connected to a controller card that is passed through to the TrueNAS container, according to some threads in this excellent forum.

Should I be worried about the Seek Error Rate and return the drives or can I keep using the ones I haven’t returned yet? Do you think the failing runs of S.M.A.R.T. tests are related or is it something else? I don’t have super much knowledge about drives and S.M.A.R.T. on this level, so I would very much appreciate your input and ideas here!

54° C max. Temperature :fire:

What controller are you using that you passthrough. May be related since all three disks had errors or maybe you got unlucky.

Someone else may be better at interpreting the smart results.

Not very likely. The disks are all failing SMART tests. While it’s not absolutely impossible for the host to be to blame, it’s also not very likely over several tests…

It’s not clear what values for that would be worrying. If you want to dig deeper, you can see if the disks’ datasheet has further info on this.

100%. They’re failing their SMART tests, which is tacit acknowledgement by the manufacturer that the disk is hopelessly trashed.

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It’s an Avago LSI 9300-8i

100%. They’re failing their SMART tests, which is tacit acknowledgement by the manufacturer that the disk is hopelessly trashed.

Alright, maybe I’ll just send them back then!

Three disks from two stores failing within a couple of days at least sparked my interest in learning more about the controller.

@sakurabo please look into your cooling solution, 54 °C is on the high side / too hot for my personal taste.

The only thing I see that is wrong with this drive is the fact it failed to complete any SMART test with an “unknown” reason. This is very odd. I will say that you have almost hit the peak 55C, not good. Improve your cooling of the drives. Look to having 45C or below if possible (below is better).

Speaking of cooling… If you are not cooling things down, you may have overheated the LSI card, those bastards can get hot. Heat can destroy electronics pretty fast.

I’m curious if your Avago LSI 9300-8i card, or the way you have Proxmox VM setup is causing your problems. It is highly abnormal for three new drives to all have the same failure. Before returning those drives, I would recommend you pull them from the computer and connect them up to a different system, or do something to get them out of Proxmox and off the LSI card. Then run a SMART Short test, see if it passes. I suspect it will, but if it fails, you have grounds to return the drives.

Hope you figure this out.