TrueNAS Build

Hi,

after my QNAP TS-873 is dead ( Mobo is defect ) I’m thinking about building a TrueNAS Scale Rackmount Server for my 42 inch Network Rack.

Budget I have is around 1500€.

I already have 8x Seagate Ironwolf HDD’s from the old QNAP NAS.

Do you think it’s hard to self build a TrueNAS and would you go this way or another QNAP or Synology or UGreen NAS?

The biggest advantage I see with TrueNAS is that I will have full flexibility.

Are there proper guides out to built TrueNAS Scale properly after I have self built the hardware together?

It isn’t hard, but if you’re rack-mounting anyway, you might be better off buying a pre-built server. At least in .us, used gear is widely available and pretty reasonably priced.

Well, you’re on the TrueNAS forum, so you have to expect we’re going to favor TrueNaS (though I was running TrueNAS on a UGREEN NAS for about a year, and it worked just fine).

I’m not sure I understand what you mean. If the server’s built, boot the installer, install to your boot device, and configure–there’s nothing to build.

Are there like pages where you can buy prebuilt ones? I‘m from Germany.

Looks like Serverschmiede you can at least choose what comes into it.

My starting point for used server gear is eBay. If I’m looking for a particular configuration, I’ll usually look to see who’s selling the model I want (e.g., Dell R730xd), then DM them for quotes on the specific configuration I want.

Latest generation hardware isn’t necessary or even that desirable.

There are plenty of build reports that you can search for and peruse here and over in the old forum. I suggest you have a think about how many drives you might expand to, then the enclosure that you can tolerate / want, then start to look into motherboards.

Or buy something used / prebuilt on ebay or at iXsystems. The Mini XL can hold 8 disks and the current generation may even not double as a sous-vide HDD cooker like my generation did.

Concur! Current generation motherboards from Supermicro seem to be optimized for other uses, not SATA storage. I would look into the X10 generation of boards for relatively inexpensive new or used stuff. My go-to favorite for a SOHO file-server only, large pool motherboard is the Supermicro x10sdv-2c-7tp4f because of its Supermicro origin, ECC, 20 built-in SATA ports, built-in 10GbE SFP+ and other features.

For a more modern, smaller-form factor build, the Asrock X570D4I-2T is still my favorite, despite some shortcomings (i.e. Asrock origin & associated post-sales support, copper not SFP+ 10GbE). But it has 9 SATA or 1 SATA and 8 NVME ports, so this might be a pretty future-proof rig, especially if paired with a low-power Ryzen Pro -G or -GE CPU, all in a Mini-ITX chassis that will fit into just any case out there.

What you think about

Chassis:

Supermicro CSE-825 Chassis Or better 4U than 2U?

Motherboard:

Supermicro X11SPi-TF mit IPMI

CPU:

Intel Xeon E-2334

RAM:

64 GB ECC DDR4 RAM ( 2x32 GB , which vendor ? )

HBA:

Broadcom 9400-8i ( IT-Mode ) , do I need one of two for 8 HDD‘s?

Boot Drive:

2x 256 GB SATA SSD in Mirror Mode ( which vendor ? )

HDDs:

8x 4 TB Seagate IronWolf ( those I already have )

Network:

1GB or 10 GB?

I have a Ubiquiti UDM Pro SE in my Rack

PSU:

80 Gold , redundancy? ( which vendor )

I’d go for the 826 over the 825, and the 846 (or even 847) over either–but it depends a bit on your expected use. I have an 847, and haven’t ruled out a JBOD shelf to expand the system. Get the one with the SAS expander backplane.

IMO, doesn’t matter, as long as it meets the specs.

The 9400 won’t gain you anything over the 9300 except costing more. One is enough for 8 drives; if you get the SAS expander backplane as I recommended above, one of these is enough for 127 drives.

Bigger than you need, but it’s getting harder to find smaller units. IMO mirrored boot devices for a home environment are unnecessary, just keep a regular backup of your config file (Joe’s Multi-Report script is your friend here).

If you have a 10 GB switch, might as well go for 10 GB. Intel or Chelsio.

Should be included with the chassis, and you aren’t going to do a lot better than Supermicro here.

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Thank you.

What about CPU?

Will need a few Linux / Windows VMs or LXC

Pi-Holes, Frigate , Agent DVR and Home Assistant

I’ll have to leave that question to others; I know my dual-socket systems are gross overkill, but I’m not that familiar with the lower end of the scale these days.

And is there a mobile App?

Which wife can use to upload pictures?

Sounds like Immich. It’s available as an app for TrueNAS, or you can install it using Docker Compose (which would be my recommendation).

That’ll help

Thank you

On iOS, you can also use photosync to upload images whenever you get home.

As for the VMs, I would counsel you to try that out on a test system before you go down those paths. I found Frigate to be INCREDIBLY frustrating. Getting it to work in the first place, followed by having it randomly refuse to keep working with a config file that previously was working.

Ditto some of the other VMs you are thinking of installing. The VM subsystem with TrueNAS has been in a pretty constant state of flux for every single 6 month revision of TrueNAS. While the management team says they have heard us “loud and clear” and promise to deliver a “enterprise-ready” VM subsystem by 25.10, color me a bit skeptical. That’s a big undertaking, Rome was not built in a day, neither was ZFS.

I want to believe that management / development might get it right this time. But there has been so much flux, I am reluctant to invest the time and effort to stand up a VM system to potentially only have it get torn down by yet another major revision of the VM subsystem. I know and appreciate that other folk might be faster at getting VMs stood up and deployed, perhaps even transferred, but I am not one of them.

I can also keep my VM‘s on my 3 Node Proxmox Cluster if that’s better.

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For now, that’s what I would do. Stick to a system whose upgrade path is predictable and for which there is ample documentation.

Very much so.

Leaving aside the lack of stability in the virtualization subsystem (which, if anything, I think @Constantin understated), that system has never been anywhere near as feature-rich as a dedicated hypervisor like Proxmox. It may get there some day, but this is not that day, and I’d be very surprised if the next release (or even the one after that) were either. If you’re wanting to run VMs, and you have Proxmox, I’d recommend you use that 99+% of the time.

The counterpoint would be software that’s going to use your storage significantly, like Immich, or a media server. For such software, running it directly on the NAS may make sense. For things like that, I’m running Dockge via the iX app on my NAS, and pretty much everything else using Compose:

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Ok now waiting for Serverschmiede to sent me a few offers. Do you think AI will come in future also to TrueNAS? Via a Local LLM for example.

Ollama is already available as an app, but I really wouldn’t recommend relying on that system much. I discuss at more length here:

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Good luck plugging a LGA1200 CPU (Rocket Lake) in a LGA3647 motherboard for Skylake/Cascade Lake Xeon Scalable

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Did I miss something?
No Virtulization needed ( have a 3 Node Proxmox Cluster )

Graphics card needed?

10 Bay 3,5 should be enough for me.

One I will use for the TrueNAS OS

2x 32 GB RAM oder 4x16 GB RAM?

What CPU to take?